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You still need to factor in slow days, scams, and the fact that hosts just aren't simply always hosting the max that they can. More than 25% of the time is spent with people doing 100k vs them.

Haven't checked forums in awhile, but I have some time right now so I'll address all of the points that you made.

1. Hosts make 37b in a month.
This would actually be a close guess if hosts did not stake/bet themselves. About half of the commission is coming from hosts betting/calling and the commission is in fact being recycled, not gained.

2. 12.5b isn't the biggest drop party of all time.
This is false. While Dragon Dyce advertised that they would drop 60b for Christmas, they later backtracked and reduced it to 10b. 12.5b is currently the biggest drop party in the history of Rs using the value of items at the time they were dropped.

3. Extra 5-15m weekly for drops
I would agree with this to an extent. Some hosts, a minority unfortunately, giveaway well over 15m a week. I know I did a drop party/giveaway at some point everyday of 10m+ which adds up to over 70m+ a week and there are many hosts who do the same. These smaller drops in addition to the weekly 100m adds up to well over 500m+ given away over the course of a week. However, you are right in acknowledging that some hosts "hoard" their earnings, only donating the bare minimum amount to Andy. While this is unfortunate, quite a few struggle to simply pay the fee due to irl problems and whatnot.

Conclusion:
Overall, you have raised some valid points of concern about the community. However, the main thing to realize is that the 100m drop party on Friday is not the only time we give back to the community. We also spend money on advertising, Youtube shoutouts, and forum giveaways as well as scattered drop parties in-game. Your points should be a wake-up call to many hosts who have the ability to give back, but are simply choosing not to.


Sidenote:
Also, Dragon Dyce/KO is much more greedy than you may realize. His initial rank payment fee alone is 70 times more than Cora. He drops less a month than he receives from ranking ONE new host. That is without the rank-up fees and the monthly fees he collects which I can assure you are well over 100m-150m.

Dubiously wrote:Haven't checked forums in awhile, but I have some time right now so I'll address all of the points that you made.

1. Hosts make 37b in a month.
This would actually be a close guess if hosts did not stake/bet themselves. About half of the commission is coming from hosts betting/calling and the commission is in fact being recycled, not gained.

2. 12.5b isn't the biggest drop party of all time.
This is false. While Dragon Dyce advertised that they would drop 60b for Christmas, they later backtracked and reduced it to 10b. 12.5b is currently the biggest drop party in the history of Rs using the value of items at the time they were dropped.

3. Extra 5-15m weekly for drops
I would agree with this to an extent. Some hosts, a minority unfortunately, giveaway well over 15m a week. I know I did a drop party/giveaway at some point everyday of 10m+ which adds up to over 70m+ a week and there are many hosts who do the same. These smaller drops in addition to the weekly 100m adds up to well over 500m+ given away over the course of a week. However, you are right in acknowledging that some hosts "hoard" their earnings, only donating the bare minimum amount to Andy. While this is unfortunate, quite a few struggle to simply pay the fee due to irl problems and whatnot.

Conclusion:
Overall, you have raised some valid points of concern about the community. However, the main thing to realize is that the 100m drop party on Friday is not the only time we give back to the community. We also spend money on advertising, Youtube shoutouts, and forum giveaways as well as scattered drop parties in-game. Your points should be a wake-up call to many hosts who have the ability to give back, but are simply choosing not to.


Sidenote:
Also, Dragon Dyce/KO is much more greedy than you may realize. His initial rank payment fee alone is 70 times more than Cora. He drops less a month than he receives from ranking ONE new host. That is without the rank-up fees and the monthly fees he collects which I can assure you are well over 100m-150m.

You're cute when you write essays

Jwl 182 wrote:You still need to factor in slow days, scams, and the fact that hosts just aren't simply always hosting the max that they can. More than 25% of the time is spent with people doing 100k vs them.

Of course I factored in slow days, I said hosts do make around 37b total. The net amount, which is the total made minus total lost would be around 10~20b still if I factored in the drops and giveaways and such (this time I added individual host drop parties though they don't really surpass 5b a month).

Dubiously wrote:Haven't checked forums in awhile, but I have some time right now so I'll address all of the points that you made.

1. Hosts make 37b in a month.
This would actually be a close guess if hosts did not stake/bet themselves. About half of the commission is coming from hosts betting/calling and the commission is in fact being recycled, not gained.

2. 12.5b isn't the biggest drop party of all time.
This is false. While Dragon Dyce advertised that they would drop 60b for Christmas, they later backtracked and reduced it to 10b. 12.5b is currently the biggest drop party in the history of Rs using the value of items at the time they were dropped.

3. Extra 5-15m weekly for drops
I would agree with this to an extent. Some hosts, a minority unfortunately, giveaway well over 15m a week. I know I did a drop party/giveaway at some point everyday of 10m+ which adds up to over 70m+ a week and there are many hosts who do the same. These smaller drops in addition to the weekly 100m adds up to well over 500m+ given away over the course of a week. However, you are right in acknowledging that some hosts "hoard" their earnings, only donating the bare minimum amount to Andy. While this is unfortunate, quite a few struggle to simply pay the fee due to irl problems and whatnot.

Conclusion:
Overall, you have raised some valid points of concern about the community. However, the main thing to realize is that the 100m drop party on Friday is not the only time we give back to the community. We also spend money on advertising, Youtube shoutouts, and forum giveaways as well as scattered drop parties in-game. Your points should be a wake-up call to many hosts who have the ability to give back, but are simply choosing not to.


Sidenote:
Also, Dragon Dyce/KO is much more greedy than you may realize. His initial rank payment fee alone is 70 times more than Cora. He drops less a month than he receives from ranking ONE new host. That is without the rank-up fees and the monthly fees he collects which I can assure you are well over 100m-150m.

Well thanks for addressing my main point which was hosts giving an extra 5~15m, seems like some people here do actually read. In the first post on my thread I will make 36b the gross amount hosts make, 36b is what I meant without hosts really staking or stuff like that. I didn't they did too much more staking but since hosts are telling me they do I'll make a net amount.

According to you I'm also wrong about Dragon Dyce's 60b, I guess I don't really know much about you in that department and apologize for false information. But while I was wrong about the amount, the turnout of people was still unprecedented after hearing about a drop like that. Most of that day Dragon still had about a 1k~2k query to get in because of their tendencies to do their 5b monthly nontheless, but when we did our 12.5b drop, I personally could log out and log in that day, the most backup was just a 10~20 person query.

Not that I'm trying to bring down Cora or anything but I didn't really think the amount Dragon and Cora made would really be too much. I mean Dragon is limited to only member people to serve to while we have the opportunity to serve both member AND nonmember, so I'm pretty sure them doing bigger drop parties has factored in to their customers, not "1% of people staying for more than 10 minutes". I'm pretty sure they don't at dragon because they actually got something there, and once they do, like I mentioned before, they will bet with what they got, most likely lose it, and start betting with their own money they have which brings in more money for Cora.

EDIT: Sorry for the edit, just noticed what Ezetta wrote

Zetta wrote:Cora is a f2p Dicing Clan - Less betters, keep that in mind

It should be quite the contrary, there are a number of f2p people who actually don't want to be members, a prime example is Luke Frosty who proudly does not want to be a member though he has bils from here. We should have more people because members could easily sell whatever they want for money on p2p worlds and bet on f2p world, plus the f2p players. To me the amount of number of people in dragon and cora should be flip flopped but sadly it isn't.

Income (Total Revenue Before Cuts)

35B sounds a bit of a stretch.

2B a month for generals may be a bit of a stretch, since recent high bots range from about 300m-500m pots. This would usually occur when two hosts, unless a member has wealth (Luke Frosty), decide to vs. each other in order to gain a 200m profit. It would happen about 1-3 times a day, only allowing generals to make a measly 100m+ profit a day, without adding the regular wagers. Most generals will fall a bit under 2B a month.

The rest of the calculations seem fine, although many corporals and sergeants make a good 500m-800m a month, possibly 1B a month if they host a good 3-5 hours a day (Without gambling).

However, most incomes will vary with different timezones. The incomes you stated are most likely in the afternoon of GMT, where there is usually many betters. In other slow times such as the Australian timezone, most likely some of the hosts' incomes will drop drastically; Generals only making 10m-20m an hour.

The Profit After Cuts

The total welfare would range from about 10B-20B, sometimes depending on seasons. In the school year, there will be a bit less players; In summer, a lot of gamblers. T

he total welfare of 35B sounds correct, although 10B-15B is kept by hosts (Partyhats, Rares, or Sold). This leaves to 20B left. On average, about 10B-15B will be given back in the form of dicing. Hosts will vs. each other, and the money is spread around. Although when a player dices, the money will usually come back into the community, not the hosts themselves.

This leaves 10B left.

What happens to the 10B? Well, who runs a clan without profiting from it? Of course, Andy has to keep some of the profit to himself; Would you take your time and effort into something you will not profit from? Of course many people will say "No." So Andy really deserves to keep 5B to himself, not because he's greedy, but to reward his efforts and dedication.

5B? All of it goes back to the clan. 1/2-3/4 is given back in the 100m Drop Parties, and the other 1/2 or 1/3 or 1/4 is given back in a special version: Loyalty Giveaway, Huge Drop Parties (3B, 12.5B), and other versions to keep Cora Dyce members entertained and to keep the community happy.

My Opinion?

I somewhat agree that giving an extra 5m or so would help make a huge difference.

By spending 20 minutes of your time, you will make Cora Dyce a better community.

If Cora Dyce is a better community, there will be more members.

With more members would mean more commission.
With more members would also mean more hosts.

With more commission, hosts are richer.

Therefore, it's pretty much a win-win situation. It may seem hard at first, hosts, but in months' time, you will definitely profit more.

Yeah, I agree to your point. I remember DD crashed an entire one or two worlds that day with a lesser drop party than ours.

Your math is completely wrong.

i dont think they earn that much..

Dubiously for president!

G wrote:Your math is completely wrong.

I don't know about it being "completely wrong", if you say stuff like that post your math to back it up. Plus I already got actual host estimations not too far off from mine.

Dr blastpure wrote:i dont think they earn that much..

Cool, but they do.

Some hosts, a minority unfortunately, giveaway well over 15m a week ... However, you are right in acknowledging that some hosts "hoard" their earnings, only donating the bare minimum amount to Andy.

Your points should be a wake-up call to many hosts who have the ability to give back, but are simply choosing not to.

These are the phrases that stuck out to me from the post Dubiously made. High ranked hosts can get a bad impression when all they do is worry about their personal gain. I side with Cannons on this topic because - although they will not admit it - there are a lot of hosts who only give back the bare minimum. There are so many hosts doing this that it makes it seem as if they could give more to the community. However, I also feel bad saying this because there are few people who give out abundantly and these people are sometimes overlooked when forming an impression of hosts because a good majority of them do not give out as much.

Exactly fire, plus some of the hosts say I forget to add giveaways "alot" of hosts do on the forums. In clan events I see 7 hosts with giveaways out of the 45+ hosts here, and for one of them I can say this is like the 2nd one that person has done in 2~3+ months totaling to about 20m (that person knows who they are), not really a regular person that gives aways stuff like the others. 7 out of 45+ hosts isn't really "alot".

Plus the individual drop parties people say hosts do are barely even happening anymore. I don't even remember the last time I saw one from a host, (maybe its my timezone), so I don't think hosts really lose too much doing rogue drop parties seeing as they don't really happen too much anymore.

Seems like people who are not hosts give out more money than hosts? (Besides a few)
Kaysie gave out H'ween masks... Etc

Nuti wrote:Seems like people who are not hosts give out more money than hosts? (Besides a few)
Kaysie gave out H'ween masks... Etc

Yes, for some reason I think some people here are confusing what players drop with what hosts drop. Besides the 100m dp's Andy required them to do, they don't really drop too much except for Duya's occasional big dp or when Andy logs on to tell them to do a dp for more customers to come. It really does look like this is a business not a community anymore. For some reason I thought new hosts especially would start dropping like crazy in their first month here since they just got ranked but sadly it's not really true.