I need General Support

Christina wrote: Okay, take a step back and try and see this from a hosts point of view.
Yes, a host might make 100m a day. Do you know how long it took to make that? It is different every day. It's annoying for me to see people posting things like this because they have no idea sometimes how much effort goes into making that.

Think about this : After 6 hours of merching, you made 50m. Would you want to give back 25m to fagex? No! You worked for that 50m and you deserve to enjoy it and NOT be called greedy for wanting to use your own money for what you want. Sort of same thing here. The difference is hosts DO give back a lot of their earnings already through daily drops/giveaways ingame and on forums along with a monthly fee to pay for huge drop parties, scams, big giveaways etc. Don't call hosts greedy because they might want to enjoy some of what they earn. You would do the same.

EDIT : Also, doing drop parties doesn't help with getting betters. Maybe 1% of the people will stay for more than 10 minutes after a drop is done and it does nothing to help.

EDITx2 :
After reading this post it seems like you are mad because you saw a host make some money and thought hosts should give out more cash so you can make some money. If you were truly trying to help and had an idea you wouldn't have brought up the part about hosts being greedy etc.

G7 wrote:
pretty sure we dont make over 15B all together per month

Gasp wrote:
Okay, then I do not agree with that. The fees at the end of each month are called "dp fees" for a reason - they are used for dps. They're partially used for scam cases, too. Also, some hosts aren't as active as others, and some are completely inactive (me, for example), so it's not that easy for some of us.

cannon wrote:

Grand total: 35.8b+ - the hosting fees for Cora Dyce
But here's the problem, Cora makes close to 36b a month but weekly does only 100m drop, around 400m a month.

Christina wrote:Nice nuti <3 btw I am not saying "omg lets keep all our money for ourselves blablabla" I am just saying when a member tries to tell hosts to give out more than they already are is just plain rude. If a host wants to give out cash do dps etc then that is great! Just don't try and say "oh I think you make this much so you should give us this much back or you are greedy".

cannon wrote:

Grand total: 35.8b+ - the hosting fees for Cora Dyce
But here's the problem, Cora makes close to 36b a month but weekly does only 100m drop, around 400m a month.

You do realize that is your estimate and you don't know that for sure? lol

Christina wrote:Nice nuti <3 btw I am not saying "omg lets keep all our money for ourselves blablabla" I am just saying when a member tries to tell hosts to give out more than they already are is just plain rude. If a host wants to give out cash do dps etc then that is great! Just don't try and say "oh I think you make this much so you should give us this much back or you are greedy".

cannon wrote:

Grand total: 35.8b+ - the hosting fees for Cora Dyce
But here's the problem, Cora makes close to 36b a month but weekly does only 100m drop, around 400m a month.

You do realize that is your estimate and you don't know that for sure? lol

Shygodd wrote:Cora has done the biggest drop in Rs history lol and it is f2p

Nuti wrote:This argument is tough, i see Christina's side, where she works for the money so she wants her money, and Cannon's side. Personally, i'm in the middle, they are both great arguments.
Christina's point is the main point for her side

Point for Cannon's side:
This is a game, not a job (as Taco says). I've seen some people act like Hosting is a job. Hosting is for Fun, not to sell for real life money. I think that there should be more money going back to the community, because, if we keep losing betters, less and less new betters will come in. This would lead to a downward slope. Cora Dyce is very lucky, they have loyal members/hosts keeping the fc going. For more members to stay around, they must want something... Some may want a rank, after months of trying, some may want a bigger cash stack, being tired of being cleaned. Making events for the clan is
A) Fun
B) way to bring some people in

Award has caught on to this idea, he has done a few Clan wars events. The games are random, like Kill him in red portal, when he has like 2m on him.

Props to the hosts that do giveaways.

To others, its not a bad thing, just pointing out a tip for cannon's side of the argument.

Thanks for reading
~Nuti

Sanne wrote:nearly 50b/month~

around 5b for dp's/giveaways (fee's). Not many hosts pay more than the monthly 100m/150m. Thats to understand if you worked hard for a rank here.

+ Alot of hosts gambles/stakes their gp aswell ~ i think more than 15b-20b is lost trough that

Legitdicer wrote:Hmm you're math is a little off but nonetheless. The hosts do a lot for the community some in big ways some in smaller ways. For one instance there is obviously the weekly 100m drop, but you're arguing they need to give more for a bigger drop? 99% of the people that join the clan that day dont even stay in it, they just leech off the drop. A better way for hosts to give back is via the forums and irc which they do. See examples below

-Sloppy dice and other hosts 200m drop party
-Duya's 50m giveaway
Slashz's 1-50m giveaway
-Nr's random IRC giveaways (h'ween's, easters, and santa)
-2sa's commision giveaway
-2sa's h'ween set giveaway
-1.5B loyalty giveaway

All these giveaways have been done out of the hosts own money on top of this many of them host drop parties throughtout the week. So as christina said they should be able to enjoy some of their earnings, that's not greedy at all. In conclusion hosts do a great job giving back to the community, the 100m drops are great and the IRC and forums giveaways are fantastic as well

jojo wrote:I make like 10m/hr now adays. right now im on by myself hosting 250k wagers, Idk why you guys think gens make so much, there arn't that many 150m+ wagers.

Sanne wrote:nearly 50b/month~

Twelve Noobs wrote:Maybe instead of making accusations and estimates, you actually become a host. Once you become a recruit, you could find out how much you make per hr/day over a period of a few months, and THEN you can make a VERY rough prediction on how much recruit hosts make per hr. Some hosts are on a lot, some hosts are not quite as active. Useless topic, just seems like a plot to generate some aggression between the user and the host (those that actually believe that cora hosts make 36b in total).

What you are doing is like predicting how many people will die in a war before it even begins. You have no experience as a host, so you can't possibly make an accurate estimate on how much they make. ESPECIALLY ranks that are higher than recruits. The amount that a General for example could vary wildly depending on many,many factors. Maybe you should ask every single host on Cora Dyce and ask them how much they make per hr/day/week/month on an approximate number.

Sanne wrote:nearly 50b/month~

SypherPK wrote:Nice argument, well though it out, but not thought out enough.

Who usually calls / places many of the big wagers in Cora Dyce. Hosts.

Many hosts get cleaned on a daily basis. Which is good for the clan, not too good for the host. You are acting as if all the hosts don't lose their money betting / staking / pking. Money comes and goes, I say as a total hosting unit we barely make 5-10b on a good month. Many hosts lose their money.

jojo wrote:We do not make near 50b a month, that would be 500b wagered. 15-20 would be closer.

Sanne wrote:nearly 50b/month~

around 5b for dp's/giveaways (fee's). Not many hosts pay more than the monthly 100m/150m. Thats to understand if you worked hard for a rank here.

+ Alot of hosts gambles/stakes their gp aswell ~ i think more than 15b-20b is lost trough that

Christina wrote:

EDIT : Also, doing drop parties doesn't help with getting betters. Maybe 1% of the people will stay for more than 10 minutes after a drop is done and it does nothing to help.

EDITx2 :
After reading this post it seems like you are mad because you saw a host make some money and thought hosts should give out more cash so you can make some money. If you were truly trying to help and had an idea you wouldn't have brought up the part about hosts being greedy etc.

G7 wrote:

Christina wrote:

EDIT : Also, doing drop parties doesn't help with getting betters. Maybe 1% of the people will stay for more than 10 minutes after a drop is done and it does nothing to help.

EDITx2 :
After reading this post it seems like you are mad because you saw a host make some money and thought hosts should give out more cash so you can make some money. If you were truly trying to help and had an idea you wouldn't have brought up the part about hosts being greedy etc.

True, support this

G7 wrote:I totally agree on giving more to the community, but we making 30B+ a month is a lie.

Darwun wrote:

G7 wrote:I totally agree on giving more to the community, but we making 30B+ a month is a lie.

Yeah, not everyone is betting at a constant rate every hour, and most bets are under 100m, due to the nature of the F2P clan. Making 30B+ a month would be absurd.

Cannons wrote:

G7 wrote:

Christina wrote:

EDIT : Also, doing drop parties doesn't help with getting betters. Maybe 1% of the people will stay for more than 10 minutes after a drop is done and it does nothing to help.

EDITx2 :
After reading this post it seems like you are mad because you saw a host make some money and thought hosts should give out more cash so you can make some money. If you were truly trying to help and had an idea you wouldn't have brought up the part about hosts being greedy etc.

True, support this

Yeah I know its true but the clan's never tried to do a daily one at a specific time like I'm suggesting. If people have better chances to make money they'll gladly come and eventually when they do they will bet it here. When/If they lose it they will use their own money they already had to start betting which gets more money into Cora Dyce.

G7 wrote:

Cannons wrote:

G7 wrote:

Christina wrote:

EDIT : Also, doing drop parties doesn't help with getting betters. Maybe 1% of the people will stay for more than 10 minutes after a drop is done and it does nothing to help.

EDITx2 :
After reading this post it seems like you are mad because you saw a host make some money and thought hosts should give out more cash so you can make some money. If you were truly trying to help and had an idea you wouldn't have brought up the part about hosts being greedy etc.

True, support this

Yeah I know its true but the clan's never tried to do a daily one at a specific time like I'm suggesting. If people have better chances to make money they'll gladly come and eventually when they do they will bet it here. When/If they lose it they will use their own money they already had to start betting which gets more money into Cora Dyce.

You started all this because SMD EOC got kicked from cc then he got mad and started talking bs about the lan

Phat4tw wrote:This is way way way way inaccurate..

all im going to say..

Like a chance in hell we make 36b a month

Cannons wrote:Me and Jojo already agreed the net income is around 15~20b and he's a general host, I said the total income is around 36b but due to staking and other stuff its down to 15~20b. The main reason for this thread is to get support for my idea which I mentioned alot of times but keeps getting off topic about how much hosts make.

Stay on topic everyone please by either supporting my idea for hosts to give like 5~15m extra to Andy a week (or even biweekly) for an increase weekly or a new daily drop, or you can oppose it.