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    Post by Cannons 2012-09-04, 03:44

    Well just now I was thinking about around how much hosts make as in income and I came up with a rough estimate and was concerned about something.

    Generals can make 2b+ easily in a month, some even 400m a day because of recent activites of Luke and such
    Max 3b pot so max 300m made a wager, there hasnt been too many 1.5b wagers but a number of 100m+ wagers has been seen often. If theres alot of people there could still be 150m+ made in under an hour no sweat.

    Captains can makes 1b+ easily a month sometimes even 300m a day
    Max 300m pot so max 30m made a wager, 10 of these can be up within an hour so that can be 300m in under an hour. There hasnt been too many but get two high big betters on = making these easily. These times I do see a number of 100m pots on them so they can still get 10 of these get 100m in under an hour without breaking a sweat


    Lieutenants can make 1b+ easily a month sometimes even 100m a day
    Max pot: 100m so max 10m a wager, Ten of these can be put up within an hour so that can be an easy 100m in under an hour. There has been more like 20~30m frequently on them so thats 4~6m for each pot made. 10 of these could equal an easy 40~60m+ per hour

    Sergeants can make 500m+ easily a month sometimes even 50m a day, even 10m an hour
    Max pot is 40m so max made is 4m per wager, Ten of these made could equal an easy 40m made in under an hour, usually I see 6~20m wagered these times but ten of those could be 6m~20m+ made per hour, host 5 hours equal 100m+, ten hours 200m+ etc

    Corporals can make 500m+ easily a month sometimes even 50m a day, even 10m an hour
    Max pot is 20m so max made is 2m per wager, Ten of these made = 20m in under an hour, these times I do see more like 1~10m placed, which is 2~20m pots, ten of these could be 2~20m+ in under one hour, host 5 hours means 10~100m+ etc etc

    Recruits can make 500m+ easily a month sometimes even 50m a day, even 10m an hour
    Max pot is 10m so max made is 1m, Ten of these made = 10m in under an hour, these times I see mostly 500k~5m placed which is 1m~10m pots, ten of these could be 1m~10m in under an hour, 5 hours means 5m~50m+

    So you get the general understanding of how much they can make but these may vary, at one point a recruit was seen saying he made 100m or so in a day, it was around there and I'd like to say it was Literature or Slash but not too sure. But then again in an hour hosts can make 1m or even nothing because of the lack of customers like Jojo was seen saying. Even if there is a lack of customers a host could easily do a 10~20m dp to bring back a flow of new customers and get it active again. But back to the point.

    In the last 48 hours alone 47 hosts has logged on and this is the rough estimate of how many of each rank
    Recruits: 9
    Corporals: 9
    Sergeants: 7
    Lieutenants: 9
    Captains: 7
    Generals: 6

    Was a little too lazy to classify exactly but if someone could that would be nice, don't think its too far off and wouldn't make too much of a difference. But thats around the number of hosts in the last 48 hours, may be more, not too sure. But down to the point.

    Minus the hosting fees, this is around the total per month hosts combined can make in each category.

    Recruits: 3.6b+ a month - the hosting fees
    Corporals: 3.6b+ a month - the hosting fees
    Seargants: 2.8b+ a month - the hosting fees
    Lieutenants: 8.1b+ a month - the hosting fees
    Captains: 6.3b+ a month - the hosting fees
    Generals: 11.4b+ a month - the hosting fees


    Grand total: 35.8b+ - the hosting fees for Cora Dyce
    But here's the problem, Cora makes close to 36b a month but weekly does only 100m drop, around 400m a month. Now I know some people will come to the defense and say they did a 12.5b drop the other day but still, Cora's been around over a year with probably the same amount of hosts or maybe even less besides the other hosts that resigned or scammed or etc. 36b a month x 12 months = 436b a year - the 12.5b should be 423.5b minus all the other giveaways and such advertised through cora lets just say a generous 100b (Generous) which would leave 323.5b
    The moneys split between hosts and such, some people stake others lose through scams or w.e but all I'm saying is this.

    If hosts and such make so much money, I mean one host can make 100m in under an hour, I really do think the weekly drop parties should be alot higher. I mean just based off the 47 hosts logged on over the 48 hours, if Cora Dyce collected 10m from each of them for a seperate fee, maybe weekly, that would be 470m weekly, and Cora himself could put 30 to make it 500m. Or he could just collect 15m from each, it would be roughly 705m, and Cora could do a regular 100m drop daily with no problem bringing a bigger flow of people for hosts for even more profit. Hosts you guys would probably give like an extra 10 or 15m to Andy but don't look at it as losing money, you'll be getting more people in the long run.

    I just want you guys to look at the facts and stuff and see what I mean, because just doing 100m a week doesn't look too good compared to what you all make, and I know you guys probably make more than I put up at times.

    Need support for my idea so we could get a change, read please and think of it, thanks.
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    Post by *nat4334* 2012-09-04, 03:49

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    Post by Cannons 2012-09-04, 03:50

    Nat4334|Chaffed-NIPS wrote:math.

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    Post by Mike Tyson 2012-09-04, 03:50

    They don't even need to do drop parties but they do just be happy for that?
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    Post by Guest 2012-09-04, 03:51

    Rofl 36b per month?
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    Post by Cannons 2012-09-04, 03:52

    Mike Tyson wrote:They don't even need to do drop parties but they do just be happy for that?

    Yeah I guess they don't but SMD_EOC got me thinking about it when he said Cora hosts were greedy and didn't care about the players and I should give up. So I put some thought about it, I'm just saying compared to Dragons 5b a month 400m a month looks a little shabby, and Cora could get more people if they upped the anty.
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    Post by Cannons 2012-09-04, 03:54

    G7 wrote:Rofl 36b per month?

    Yeah the 36b would be if you guys didn't stake, get scammed, and even do your small dp's and such.
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    Post by Guest 2012-09-04, 04:00

    Cora himself only makes 4.95B-5B, we together dont make 25b more lol...
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    Post by Cannons 2012-09-04, 04:03

    G7 wrote:Cora himself only makes 4.95B-5B, we together dont make 25b more lol...

    Yeah, and Aid (General) got his phat set from mining, but thats besides the point. The main point was the last part where I said hosts should pay andy and extra 10~15m to try to go for a daily 100m dp or a 700m dp weekly. Should be easy enough, pretty sure you guys can make atleast 15m in a day


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    Post by Guest 2012-09-04, 04:04

    Cannons wrote:
    G7 wrote:Cora himself only makes 4.95B-5B, we together dont make 25b more lol...

    Yeah, and Aid (General) got his phat set from mining
    aid has been host for months lol, he didn't make phat set in just one month
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    Post by Cannons 2012-09-04, 04:05

    G7 wrote:
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    G7 wrote:Cora himself only makes 4.95B-5B, we together dont make 25b more lol...

    Yeah, and Aid (General) got his phat set from mining
    aid has been host for months lol, he didn't make phat set in just one month

    I never said he got it in a month lol, I'm just showing you an example of a rich host, another reason why it shouldn't be too hard to do my suggestion
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    Post by Guest 2012-09-04, 04:22

    I totally agree on giving more to the community, but we making 30B+ a month is a lie.
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    Post by Cannons 2012-09-04, 04:25

    G7 wrote:I totally agree on giving more to the community, but we making 30B+ a month is a lie.

    So the amount I posted for what you guys can make hourly or daily is also wrong?
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    Post by Firefury54 2012-09-04, 04:26

    G7 wrote:Cora himself only makes 4.95B-5B, we together dont make 25b more lol...
    Really? I'm not sure if it was Cable or Candy for U ... it was a high level host but someone asked him how much he had made that day. So he asked what the current price of a green phat was. Someone replied by saying "1b." So the host responded by saying "Then I have made almost enough for a green phat" So I thought generals made around 1bil a day .... I did not know it was a lot smaller.
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    Post by Gasp 2012-09-04, 04:27

    From the numbers you listed, andy only makes around 6b/month. He could do more than 400m/month, but the problem is, he has to keep a lot in case a host scams. In my opinion, 400m is enough for now, then maybe 2-4 times a year, do a huge one. Definitely during the holidays, there should be a big drop.

    MATH TIME~

    400m (per month) * 10 (10 months of weekly dps) = 4b + 10b (2 5b drops a year, but those months don't have weekly dps) = 14b.
    5.8b (per month, fees, according to the numbers you listed) * 12 (months in a year) = 69600m or 69.6b ~ 70b
    70b (yearly fees) - 14b (drops, specified in the first line of math) = 56b

    If they followed what I just mentioned, they'd still have plenty to deal with scams. Imo, they should, but it's not my choice.
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    Post by Cannons 2012-09-04, 04:28

    Gasp wrote:From the numbers you listed, andy only makes around 6b/month. He could do more than 400m/month, but the problem is, he has to keep a lot in case a host scams. In my opinion, 400m is enough for now, then maybe 2-4 times a year, do a huge one. Definitely during the holidays, there should be a big drop.

    MATH TIME~

    400m (per month) * 10 (10 months of weekly dps) = 4b + 10b (2 5b drops a year, but those months don't have weekly dps) = 14b.
    5.8b (per month, fees, according to the numbers you listed) * 12 (months in a year) = 69600m or 69.6b ~ 70b
    70b (yearly fees) - 14b (drops, specified in the first line of math) = 56b

    If they followed what I just mentioned, they'd still have plenty to deal with scams. Imo, they should, but it's not my choice.

    No no no, I don't mean Cora as in Andy himself, I mean Cora Dyce hosts all put together lol. Cora hosts all combined can make around 36b together, not Cora Dyce (Andy) by himself, that would be insane. Also no one is talking about my suggestions that host could give Andy an extra 10~15m for a weekly 700m or a daily 100m drop, would be pretty easy for hosts to do.
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    Post by Gasp 2012-09-04, 04:39

    Cannons wrote:
    Gasp wrote:From the numbers you listed, andy only makes around 6b/month. He could do more than 400m/month, but the problem is, he has to keep a lot in case a host scams. In my opinion, 400m is enough for now, then maybe 2-4 times a year, do a huge one. Definitely during the holidays, there should be a big drop.

    MATH TIME~

    400m (per month) * 10 (10 months of weekly dps) = 4b + 10b (2 5b drops a year, but those months don't have weekly dps) = 14b.
    5.8b (per month, fees, according to the numbers you listed) * 12 (months in a year) = 69600m or 69.6b ~ 70b
    70b (yearly fees) - 14b (drops, specified in the first line of math) = 56b

    If they followed what I just mentioned, they'd still have plenty to deal with scams. Imo, they should, but it's not my choice.

    No no no, I don't mean Cora as in Andy himself, I mean Cora Dyce hosts all put together lol. Cora hosts all combined can make around 36b together, not Cora Dyce (Andy) by himself, that would be insane. Also no one is talking about my suggestions that host could give Andy an extra 10~15m for a weekly 700m or a daily 100m drop, would be pretty easy for hosts to do.

    Okay, then I do not agree with that. The fees at the end of each month are called "dp fees" for a reason - they are used for dps. They're partially used for scam cases, too. Also, some hosts aren't as active as others, and some are completely inactive (me, for example), so it's not that easy for some of us.
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    Gasp wrote:
    Cannons wrote:
    Gasp wrote:From the numbers you listed, andy only makes around 6b/month. He could do more than 400m/month, but the problem is, he has to keep a lot in case a host scams. In my opinion, 400m is enough for now, then maybe 2-4 times a year, do a huge one. Definitely during the holidays, there should be a big drop.

    MATH TIME~

    400m (per month) * 10 (10 months of weekly dps) = 4b + 10b (2 5b drops a year, but those months don't have weekly dps) = 14b.
    5.8b (per month, fees, according to the numbers you listed) * 12 (months in a year) = 69600m or 69.6b ~ 70b
    70b (yearly fees) - 14b (drops, specified in the first line of math) = 56b

    If they followed what I just mentioned, they'd still have plenty to deal with scams. Imo, they should, but it's not my choice.

    No no no, I don't mean Cora as in Andy himself, I mean Cora Dyce hosts all put together lol. Cora hosts all combined can make around 36b together, not Cora Dyce (Andy) by himself, that would be insane. Also no one is talking about my suggestions that host could give Andy an extra 10~15m for a weekly 700m or a daily 100m drop, would be pretty easy for hosts to do.

    Okay, then I do not agree with that. The fees at the end of each month are called "dp fees" for a reason - they are used for dps. They're partially used for scam cases, too. Also, some hosts aren't as active as others, and some are completely inactive (me, for example), so it's not that easy for some of us.
    pretty sure we dont make over 15B all together per month
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    Post by Christina 2012-09-04, 05:03

    Okay, take a step back and try and see this from a hosts point of view.
    Yes, a host might make 100m a day. Do you know how long it took to make that? It is different every day. It's annoying for me to see people posting things like this because they have no idea sometimes how much effort goes into making that.

    Think about this : After 6 hours of merching, you made 50m. Would you want to give back 25m to fagex? No! You worked for that 50m and you deserve to enjoy it and NOT be called greedy for wanting to use your own money for what you want. Sort of same thing here. The difference is hosts DO give back a lot of their earnings already through daily drops/giveaways ingame and on forums along with a monthly fee to pay for huge drop parties, scams, big giveaways etc. Don't call hosts greedy because they might want to enjoy some of what they earn. You would do the same.

    EDIT : Also, doing drop parties doesn't help with getting betters. Maybe 1% of the people will stay for more than 10 minutes after a drop is done and it does nothing to help.

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    After reading this post it seems like you are mad because you saw a host make some money and thought hosts should give out more cash so you can make some money. If you were truly trying to help and had an idea you wouldn't have brought up the part about hosts being greedy etc.


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    Christina wrote: Okay, take a step back and try and see this from a hosts point of view.
    Yes, a host might make 100m a day. Do you know how long it took to make that? It is different every day. It's annoying for me to see people posting things like this because they have no idea sometimes how much effort goes into making that.

    Think about this : After 6 hours of merching, you made 50m. Would you want to give back 25m to fagex? No! You worked for that 50m and you deserve to enjoy it and NOT be called greedy for wanting to use your own money for what you want. Sort of same thing here. The difference is hosts DO give back a lot of their earnings already through daily drops/giveaways ingame and on forums along with a monthly fee for that sort of thing. Don't call hosts greedy because they might want to enjoy some of what they earn. You would do the same.

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    Nat4334|Chaffed-NIPS wrote:math.
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    Post by Alex 2012-09-04, 06:38

    well i think ur totally wrong.a host dosent make 10m/hour
    most hosts will call all wagers under 500k and half the time they lose.
    so they might make about 5m an hour?
    and lukas was just random.he will probs get cleaned in the next month and that will be that. no more 1.5b wager every hour.
    and the reason recuits host more often that generals is b/c when i general logs in he will get a 20m wager withing 10 minutes.
    when a recruit logs on he will get a 5m wager withing 20 minutes. so a recruit needs to be on more often to make 100m/month (fees)

    ive never been a host so if im wrong just correct me. but mostly i think i have the right idea...
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    Post by Zetta 2012-09-04, 09:03

    Christina wrote: Okay, take a step back and try and see this from a hosts point of view.
    Yes, a host might make 100m a day. Do you know how long it took to make that? It is different every day. It's annoying for me to see people posting things like this because they have no idea sometimes how much effort goes into making that.

    Think about this : After 6 hours of merching, you made 50m. Would you want to give back 25m to fagex? No! You worked for that 50m and you deserve to enjoy it and NOT be called greedy for wanting to use your own money for what you want. Sort of same thing here. The difference is hosts DO give back a lot of their earnings already through daily drops/giveaways ingame and on forums along with a monthly fee to pay for huge drop parties, scams, big giveaways etc. Don't call hosts greedy because they might want to enjoy some of what they earn. You would do the same.

    EDIT : Also, doing drop parties doesn't help with getting betters. Maybe 1% of the people will stay for more than 10 minutes after a drop is done and it does nothing to help.

    EDITx2 :
    After reading this post it seems like you are mad because you saw a host make some money and thought hosts should give out more cash so you can make some money. If you were truly trying to help and had an idea you wouldn't have brought up the part about hosts being greedy etc.
    Here..Christina4MOD
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    "Hosts DO give back a lot of their earnings already through daily drops/giveaways in game and on forums along with a monthly fee to pay for huge drop parties, scams, big giveaways etc. Don't call hosts greedy because they might want to enjoy some of what they earn. You would do the same."

    Edit :- I think Andy should change the timezone of the weekly 100m dp, like it's always midnight for me (for many other people also) Do it different timezone every week, It might bring more people imo Razz

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    Mike Tyson wrote:They don't even need to do drop parties but they do just be happy for that?

    Yeah I guess they don't but SMD_EOC got me thinking about it when he said Cora hosts were greedy and didn't care about the players and I should give up. So I put some thought about it, I'm just saying compared to Dragons 5b a month 400m a month looks a little shabby, and Cora could get more people if they upped the anty.
    Compared to Dragons you say :p
    Cora is a f2p Dicing Clan - Less betters, keep that in mind Wink
    Maybe Cora could double the weekly dp (200m) idk if this works too lol
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    Post by Alex 2012-09-04, 09:54

    Christina wrote:EDIT : Also, doing drop parties doesn't help with getting betters. Maybe 1% of the people will stay for more than 10 minutes after a drop is done and it does nothing to help.
    yes, that probably true.
    i think most of the new betters come b/c of our master spammers around the G.E and elsewhere...
    drop parties just bring leachers.


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    Post by Daft Punk 2012-09-04, 11:06

    Jax's first post bring a lot of truth. I like how he put it.

    Furthermore, lots of hosts struggle to make fees at the end of each month and get criticism for not saving better. I'd say this is the case because we bet like crazy and we end up cleaned when we rage bet. We dump so much money into the gambling scene, I'd say 90% of all hosts commissions go back into betting, drop parties, host fees, etc. Sanne gives away 50% of daily commission, regardless. That's earned Sanne do much respect (not like we dont idolize Sanne before this but you know what I mean). If hosts were greedy they would be on 24/7 and wouldn't let other hosts get bets and we would have a lot of in fighting. Also greedy hosts do get called out by other hosts and get their act together.

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