BJ Push Rule and 10% Commission? Lol

I agree.  Stop changing the rules every 12 hours, and agree on something the community wants.


I lost 40-50m bc of the no tie rule on Sunday night, next day it was changed to a 50% refund if you tie, and now its back to no push rule.

>.>

And 10% Commission is WAY too much for a PvH game.  5% should be decent.



ALSO: PLEASE NOTIFY BETTERS OF RULE CHANGES. This is really unfair on the community to keep changing commands, rules, and commission, without telling us first.

Agreed. Lost, summed it up really well. Tell the community when changes occur.
Vouch this idea.

Lost No More wrote:I agree.  Stop changing the rules every 12 hours, and agree on something the community wants.


I lost 40-50m bc of the no tie rule on Sunday night, next day it was changed to a 50% refund if you tie, and now its back to no push rule.

>.>

And 10% Commission is WAY too much for a PvH game.  5% should be decent.



ALSO:  PLEASE NOTIFY BETTERS OF RULE CHANGES.  This is really unfair on the community to keep changing commands, rules, and commission, without telling us first.  

vouch for this too

The bot is in beta stage, so changes are and should be expected.

This is so stupid.

Also, when you get auto bj, you should win 2.5x the bet.

Moe wrote:This is so stupid.

Also, when you get auto bj, you should win 2.5x the bet.

please understand that the instant-call games like Blackjack are an incredibly convenient service. Cora is not a casino so we can not pretend to mimic the way they do things.

And with great convenience (instant call vs house) comes higher cost (more commission and dealer wins ties) , did u guys have any other ideas how we can charge for this service?

Xodz is right. I've lost about 75m already funding the house so that we can provide these things for yall.

Pretty soon all the hosts will be broke and you'll be bitching about the fact that no one can fund the house. This is to even it out so that we don't go broke while trying to offer yall instant-call games.

Don't forget you still have the ability to play regular dice and 21 still if you'd perfer its 10% vs another player's decisions.

Jaycubb wrote:The bot is in beta stage, so changes are and should be expected.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Lost is right that betters should be notified of changes although it is in the beta stage and changes should be expected as Jaycubb has said. But I agree with what Zodz said. In the last 2 days I've lost 66m funding the house because the bot actually favoured betters over the house (lol) which obviously isn't sustainable so something did have to change. I also agree that the disadvantage of player vs house games should be higher than that of pvp games since they are far more convenient and we don't want to become a pvh clan. We've always encouraged social,competitive betting which simply does not exist in pvh games. I personally would always like to see classic dice duels the main focus of cora dyce, and I'm certain that at the least, pvp games are the best direction for the clan.

These types of games should always benefit the house. Not the betters. Sorry for being direct but that's how it works. Expect changes that you probably won't like, but will have to be adapt to. If it really displeases you, there will always be dice and 21. The only time you should really be using machines/PvH is when there is no one to call your PvP bets.

As Jon said, we have favoured betters over the house. So expect changes.

It's really easy to make money using this system, really not much to complain about.

Over Living wrote:It's really easy to make money using this system, really not much to complain about.

Lol.

Tom's Slave wrote:

Over Living wrote:It's really easy to make money using this system, really not much to complain about.

Lol.

wait for the day, Overly, you do a 500m pot and tie 21-21 and it counts as a loss.

Rule changes should be transparent and stated to the community prior to each and every rule change.  Changes are expected to occur, as Jaycubb says, but that does NOT justify the lack of transparency.  I doubt any compensation will be given for the losses incurred by both hosts and bettors, but we hope that through our continued testing of this beta, we can provide the best service with the least conflict of interest for all parties involved.

Cora Dyce [Cora Gaming] has always prided itself on being the single gambling entity that provided even odds for both parties involved in a bet.  I sincerely hope that we can maintain this model while hosting our games.  

I am making myself personally available to receive all suggestions and concerns via PM and I will do my best to bring them to light in the host section.  If anyone has anything constructive and wants it to be discussed among hosts, please feel more than free to both PM 'Daft Punk' as well as leave a new topic / post in the Complaints/Feedback and Suggestions topics below the Spam Section.

I believe that a beta would be best conducted using play chips in another IRC channel in order to effectively test the game in every possible way without allowing for changes to give certain players better odds (with regard to actual profits & losses) at different times during the testing process, but seeing as this is not the way that the introduction of the new games was handled, we can only do our best going forward.  Hindsight is 20/20.  

-Ryan

Daft Punk wrote:Rule changes should be transparent and stated to the community prior to each and every rule change.  Changes are expected to occur, as Jaycubb says, but that does NOT justify the lack of transparency.  I doubt any compensation will be given for the losses incurred by both hosts and bettors, but we hope that through our continued testing of this beta, we can provide the best service with the least conflict of interest for all parties involved.

Cora Dyce [Cora Gaming] has always prided itself on being the single gambling entity that provided even odds for both parties involved in a bet.  I sincerely hope that we can maintain this model while hosting our games.  

I am making myself personally available to receive all suggestions and concerns via PM and I will do my best to bring them to light in the host section.  If anyone has anything constructive and wants it to be discussed among hosts, please feel more than free to both PM 'Daft Punk' as well as leave a new topic / post in the Complaints/Feedback and Suggestions topics below the Spam Section.

I believe that a beta would be best conducted using play chips in another IRC channel in order to effectively test the game in every possible way without allowing for changes to give certain players better odds (with regard to actual profits & losses) at different times during the testing process, but seeing as this is not the way that the introduction of the new games was handled, we can only do our best going forward.  Hindsight is 20/20.  

-Ryan

I wouldn't have minded playing pvh games if I knew the rules, but I feel like a guide should have been made BEFORE the bot was released, and not up to myself and other hosts to make it.

If anything else is made in the future here is what should happen (for both hosts and players alike)

!help bj
!help zombies
!help machine

These should be fully written with all commands needed to run the game, and list the rules for the game as well.  That way you don't have to keep redirecting them to a guide.  

If the rules are known and understood, people are more likely to play the game, knowing what is risked.  I myself had no idea about the "push" rule, and changing it 3 times over 3 days, isn't a way to bring players in.  I understand why it was changed though, and I'm just glad you guys are made aware of our frustration as betters sometimes.

I don't even think the hosts were aware of the risks when funding the house either.

^ I hope you didn't read my post in a way that made you feel like I was disagreeing with your opinion or discounting your frustrations. I personally liked the guides that you wrote for Gasp's bot when that had debuted. That is a large part of the reason that I have continued to support you throughout your time here.

^ I updated your guide

Lost No More wrote:I wouldn't have minded playing pvh games if I knew the rules

Frosty wrote:There was an error in which ties would = loss (Blackjack) This was later patched.

However Lost no more lost about 60m on ties.

So.....


refund?

if i remember correctly from your circumstance, you had to have known the rules at that time. Who goes into a game not knowing the circumstances? anyway i think we'll create a changelog. sorry guys. Btw it looks like timer just made it so there's 75% refund on ties

timer changed it upon my request so that 75% of wager is given back on a tie.

o im late~

its gay.

shit, you niggas gay. 

just take the BJ, if she push, even better.

This host funding the house rule is really silly..l

Andy should fund the house with at least 5b. Then, hosts will benefit from everything over the 5b/cashing. And Andy will benefit from hosting fees.
Because, tbh, if I was a new bettor and saw a host saying "damn, I lost 70m funding the house" I'd think this is a poor clan. Just if I was NEW. Please take my words under consideration.

Moe wrote:This host funding the house rule is really silly..l

Andy should fund the house with at least 5b. Then, hosts will benefit from everything over the 5b/cashing. And Andy will benefit from hosting fees.
Because, tbh, if I was a new bettor and saw a host saying "damn, I lost 70m funding the house" I'd think this is a poor clan. Just if I was NEW. Please take my words under consideration.

If andy funded the house 5b, and I funded the house 50m. I would profit/loss 1% of all bets, and he would profit/lose 99% of all bets. So no.

Jaycubb wrote:

Moe wrote:This host funding the house rule is really silly..l

Andy should fund the house with at least 5b. Then, hosts will benefit from everything over the 5b/cashing. And Andy will benefit from hosting fees.
Because, tbh, if I was a new bettor and saw a host saying "damn, I lost 70m funding the house" I'd think this is a poor clan. Just if I was NEW. Please take my words under consideration.

If andy funded the house 5b, and I funded the house 50m. I would profit/loss 1% of all bets, and he would profit/lose 99% of all bets. So no.

You"ll not fund it, only Andy does.