LOL FRANCE (ARE) GOING TO THE WORLD CUP!

Jon wrote:When Rand agrees with you, you know you're right.

<- Smug face

Cannons wrote:I could see the difference if it was

The french are going to the world cup. (Indicates all french people)
France is going to the world cup. (Everyone refers to teams by their country so the use of is is correct)
France are going to the world cup. (May be correct in a way but not really used often and sounds weird off the tongue)

CM wrote:

Jon wrote:When Rand agrees with you, you know you're right.

<- Smug face

You is right.

CM wrote:

Cannons wrote:I could see the difference if it was

The french are going to the world cup. (Indicates all french people)
France is going to the world cup. (Everyone refers to teams by their country so the use of is is correct)
France are going to the world cup. (May be correct in a way but not really used often and sounds weird off the tongue)

And because the word "country" is singular. When any country is mentioned (i.e France), it is said as "singular".

If we were to say "France AND Germany" then we would use "are" since there's 2 countries involved.
One country = singular ∴ "is" is the correct verb to use.

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In conclusion, it appears that subtle variations in the notional number of sentence subjects can affect verb agreement in English. This finding implies that the implementation of verb number agreement is influenced not only by the grammatical number properties of subject nouns but also by the number  properties of the mental referents of subject noun-phrases.

Rand al'Thor wrote:

CM wrote:

Jon wrote:When Rand agrees with you, you know you're right.

<- Smug face

You is right.

Yeah, no.

1) You is either singular or plural.
2) The 2^nd person is conjugated in the same way in either case, and whatever its tense, mood, voice, etc. may be.

CM wrote:

Cannons wrote:I could see the difference if it was

The french are going to the world cup. (Indicates all french people)
France is going to the world cup. (Everyone refers to teams by their country so the use of is is correct)
France are going to the world cup. (May be correct in a way but not really used often and sounds weird off the tongue)

And because the word "country" is singular. When any country is mentioned (i.e France), it is said as "singular".

If we were to say "France AND Germany" then we would use "are" since there's 2 countries involved.
One country = singular ∴ "is" is the correct verb to use.

... Thx for ignoring my earlier post.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=notional+concord
and I am sure everyone on this thread uses it and, if you want, I will find such examples on the forum to make y'all happy.


Cannons' third example is common outside the US and would sound completely fine to a Brit etc.. Trust me, lol.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesis

http://icame.uib.no/ij23/levin.pdf

From the University of Illinois:
http://internal.psychology.illinois.edu/~jkbock/bockpubs/Humphreys%20Bock%202005.pdf

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In conclusion, it appears that subtle variations in the notional number of sentence subjects can affect verb agreement in English. This finding implies that the implementation of verb number agreement is influenced not only by the grammatical number properties of subject nouns but also by the number  properties of the mental referents of subject noun-phrases.

Rand al'Thor wrote:

Cannons wrote:

Tom's Slave wrote:

Frosty wrote:

Cannons wrote:

Jon wrote:

Frosty wrote: 

Cannons wrote:France is going to the world cup

FUUUUUU

I think "are" would be correct in this context because it's referring to a team of multiple people hence the plural. Maybe? "Is" would suggest he was talking about the country as a whole and the entire country clearly isn't going to the world cup

No....

Yes....

Lmao. No.

Cannon is right.

Do they take the writing SAT in the UK o.O?

Lol, we actually have exams called SATs that are taken in Year 6 (the year before secondary education).

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You can use either depending on the context. As Jon has said, Luke was referring to the French team as individuals who will win the World Cup. The plural is fine here as he's using notional concord (which is more common in British English). Take the United States for example; it is clearly in the plural yet is almost exclusively referred to in the singular, even in the US, e.g. in this article: click. Nor have I read/heard many people, British or not, use 'none (...) is' etc. despite none being a singular noun. Grammatically, none should take the singular... idiomatically, it is usually governed by a plural verb.

So... the singular or plural can be used depending on the meaning of what is being said/what is being implied.



Anyway, I should have watched the France match instead of England losing to Germany, lmao.

ALLEZ LES BLEUS!!

Grammatically, none should take the singular... idiomatically, it is usually governed by a plural verb.